Re: [NTLK] Dot-mac overpriced - glee in the lawyers' eyes..

From: Jeffrey M. Swiger (n8noe_at_mac.com)
Date: Thu Jul 18 2002 - 14:59:24 EDT


I Affirm your statement!..
        I think a Lite version would be the best for me and my use. About
the only thing I use is the ( Mac.Com ) E-Mail address, and really
nothing else. I like the Mac Address, as I use it here, But If I have
to, I'll go elsewhere. I just loaded the Backup software on this
machine, and it's Slick, but I have others that are FREE top me here. I
just cant see spending the $99.99 a year.. If you sign now, you get the
first year @ 49.00, This might not be all bad for a year, but LITE is
( I Think ) the way to go here. I wonder if they might do something like
this ASAP, After all the Bitchin' about this?.... Jeff

On Thursday, July 18, 2002, at 02:49 PM, Dave Christensen wrote:

>
> I'd like to add to your comments about a 'lite' itools.
> Considering a lot of it is a way to coerce people to upgrade
> to X.2, there still isnt a killer, must have thats better,
> app for X that wasnt on OS 9. That being said, my Pismo
> will be on 9 for quite some time to come.... Its also
> geared to those of us with broadband. I could NEVER see
> myself using 100mb of online space. Imagine uploading that
> with my 22.4k dial-up connection?? Ouch....
>
> I could easily justify a lite version, maybe $35 a year,
> compared to hotmails 20/year. It would be similar to the
> current iTools like you suggested, but drop the virus
> scanner (I have SAM 7, doesnt crash like McCrapee did
> before), drop the online stoarage down to none, maybe 5-7mb
> (like now) for mail, drop backup (Retrospect anyone?), keep
> pop, imap, webmail access, and drop the icards and web pages
> to 50?
>
> Hate saying this, but even with 10 spams a day, hotmail is
> looking better.
>
>
> Jim Witte wrote:
>> That's exactly what I was thinking.. <$$ looks of glee in the =
>> trial-lawyers' eyes $$> Anyway, as one person on Slashdot said, the =
>> online petitions usually don't do anything at all - he suggested they =
>> make things worse because people "think they've done something" when =
>> they really haven't - they should actually be outside of 1 Infinite
>> Loop =
>> protesting..
>>
>> Another issue that's come up on the Apple student developer list
>> is =
>> "what about students". Since students usually don't have much money =
>> anyway (or so said that particular one), and student devs use iTools
>> to =
>> promote their own apps a lot (which is to Apple's benefit after all), =
>> $100 seems a bit steep. I'd personally like a "lite" version that =
>> included ONLY pop email (5-7MB) and maybe some disk space (more like =
>> 15MB, certainly not 100) for something like $20 per year. Or a lite =
>> version for paid ADC members that had POP email and 25MB iDisk space
>> for =
>> $20 a year. I think this would work out very nicely for Apple,
>> because =
>> since POP boxes are probably rarely full (of course, at Denison U. =
>> people left all sorts of stuff in their POP boxes.. but half the
>> campus =
>> just telneted in.), the disk space requirements would be minimal, =
>> especially considering that ~80% of the $100/yr members aren't going
>> to =
>> be using their full 100MB quota (aren't externalities great?). Then
>> the =
>> $20/yr from the lite members is basically gravy for Apple (excluding =
>> bandwidth costs - I don't know if Apple pays a fixed rate, or a per =
>> 100-GB rate, or what) Of course, this scenario only works if there
>> are =
>> still enough $100 members around - it's quite possible that 80% would =
>> drop down to the lite membership, which would force the cost of the
>> full =
>> service down too - to about $50 I'd say. But that's 1/2 the revenue =
>> projection that Apple has made (I assume)
>>
>> Oh well, Apple's stock promptly dropped (though it'll never be
>> clear =
>> if it was that, it always drops after the keynote, even if it dropped =
>> the day before because of earnings), and if Apple does introduce a =
>> change like that, you know they'll put a good spin on it - "Due to =
>> overwhelming positive customer feedback [whatever], we are today =
>> unvailing the next stage of the evolution of iTools [whatever]. Now
>> you =
>> get basic features like [blah blah] for only $20 a year, but for only =
>> $30 more (new lower prices!), you'll get even more than before. And
>> of =
>> course, for $100 a year, we will send an Apple VP to your house to
>> clean =
>> your shoes every month [oops, did I say clean your shoes? I meant pay =
>> attention to the customers..]" Jobs is such a spin-master (or did
>> the =
>> reality distorsion field get to me? through the streaming quicktime
>> link =
>> to boot!)
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>> lawsuit, class action, against Apple by people who purchased Apple
>>> hardware with the understanding that iTools was "free for life" as =
>>
>> Apple
>>
>>> claimed it was.=
>>
>>
>>
>
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