[NTLK] MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to check?

Sun Jul 5 17:39:31 EDT 2020

Jim, WHICH PowerBook G3 do you have?  I located both an M4402 and an M7332
on eBay.

Sincerely,
Dennis B. Swaney

"Cogito Ergo Mac"

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 9:25 AM Jim C. <guardsix6 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> 3. Thanks for all the input I’ve been receiving on getting a power adapter
> for my PowerBook G3. While the model #s for the PowerBooks are easy to
> find, getting the exact model of Power Adapter is not. Some came with a
> 2.5mm barrel plug and, which of course, I bought, but the one I needed has
> a 3.5mm barrel plug. I believe I now have the right one coming.
>
>
> > From: Dennis Swaney <romad at nvwisp.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NTLK] Power Adapter!
> > Date: July 4, 2020 at 12:49:04 PM CDT
> > To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net, Don Zahniser <irntooth at eznet.net>
> >
> >
> > Jim & Don,
> >
> > According to MacTracker:
> > PowerBook G3 11/97 - 5/98 (Model 3553) uses the 45W M4895 adapter
> > PowerBook G3 Series 5/95 - 8/98 (Model 4753), the PowerBook G3 Series
> > (September 1998) 9/98 - 5/99 (also Model 4753), and the PowerBook G3
> > (Bronze Keyboard) 5/99 - 2/00 (model 5343) all use the 45W M4402 adapter
> > PowerBook (FireWire) 2/00 - 1/01 (Model 7572) uses the 45W M7332 adapter
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dennis B. Swaney
> >
> > "Cogito Ergo Mac"
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 6:52 AM Don Zahniser <irntooth at eznet.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I just checked, and don't have a spare, but it may help that I have used
> >> the power supply bricks for the PB1400 and the Powerbook G3 (Firewire)
> >> interchangeably. Your model was made between these two, so I would
> assume
> >> that any power brick for one of these models or any between should work.
> >>
> >>
> >>    -Don
> >> ----------------------------------
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> ----------------------------------
> >>
> >> On Jul 3, 2020 at 19:09:12 EDT, Jim C. <guardsix6 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, I’m reaching out because I’m desperate. I just got an Apple
> PowerBook
> >> G3 with the serial port, but I don’t have the right power adapter. I did
> >> buy one, but it looks like I got one with a barrel plug of only 2.5mm
> when
> >> I need one with a 3.5mm plug.
> >>
> >> Anyone have something like this they’re willing to sale, part with, get
> >> rid of? I’m hooking hoping to hook this up to my Newtons instead of
> working
> >> on an old broken Windows XP machine.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help!
> >>
> >> Jim
> >> San Antonio, TX
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> >
> > From: Sylvain Pilet <sylvain at pilet.net>
> > Subject: [NTLK] MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to
> check?
> > Date: July 4, 2020 at 3:29:00 PM CDT
> > To: Liste Newton Talk US Newton <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've got two MP2000's and an MP2100 that won't turn back on.
> > The problem is more serious than changing the batteries, or letting the
> charger plug in for several hours, all these tests have already been done
> many times. It is an electronic problem. But I am not a great expert but I
> know how to use soldering irons and multimeters.
> > I'm speaking to those who already know the inside of the Newton 2x00.
> Which components should I check first?
> > Knowing, for example, that for one of them, the CiriusLogic is warm when
> the AC adapter is plugged in. The other two have no reaction. But neither
> of them want to switch on.
> > These are also not the displays or ROMS that have been tested on other
> MP2xxs, so I can eliminate those points.
> >
> > Thank you in advance for your good advice…
> >
> >
> > Sylvain Pilet
> >
> > http://message-pad.net
> > http://messagepad.no-ip.org:3680 [NPDS Tracker]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Pawel Piotrowski <newton at indigi.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [NTLK] [ANN] New DCL tools : WatsonEnabler & Rex
> > Date: July 4, 2020 at 3:34:11 PM CDT
> > To: NewtonTalk Mailin List <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 3 Jul 2020, at 23:20, Sylvain Pilet <sylvain at pilet.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, I know it's infuriating, Pawel,
> >> but even if I now have 6 Watson, only two are complete (Watson + Base
> Unit) one black  Pack and one grey/blue Pack.
> >> As you collect I know that you play a complete pack and in good
> condition. I don't forget you...
> >
> > No, Sylvain, is not frustrating. Don’t worry. I will get one eventually
> from someone :)
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Pawel
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Kenroy Harrison <kenroy at me.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NTLK] MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to
> check?
> > Date: July 4, 2020 at 3:53:42 PM CDT
> > To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net
> >
> >
> > Hi Sylvain,
> >
> > I have an MP2100 with the same problem. I had a chat with Sonny Hung a
> few weeks ago about it and he suggested that I may want to try swapping out
> the MP2100 ROM card with an eMate ROM card to force a hard reset. I haven’t
> been able to track down an eMate to try that as yet. I’m interested to hear
> what steps you’ve tried so far and how it goes in the future so please do
> keep us informed.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kenroy
> >
> >> On Jul 4, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Sylvain Pilet <sylvain at pilet.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I've got two MP2000's and an MP2100 that won't turn back on.
> >> The problem is more serious than changing the batteries, or letting the
> charger plug in for several hours, all these tests have already been done
> many times. It is an electronic problem. But I am not a great expert but I
> know how to use soldering irons and multimeters.
> >> I'm speaking to those who already know the inside of the Newton 2x00.
> Which components should I check first?
> >> Knowing, for example, that for one of them, the CiriusLogic is warm
> when the AC adapter is plugged in. The other two have no reaction. But
> neither of them want to switch on.
> >> These are also not the displays or ROMS that have been tested on other
> MP2xxs, so I can eliminate those points.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance for your good advice…
> >>
> >>
> >> Sylvain Pilet
> >>
> >> http://message-pad.net
> >> http://messagepad.no-ip.org:3680 [NPDS Tracker]
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> http://newtontalk.net/
> >> http://twitter.com/newtontalk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Dan <dan at dbdigitalweb.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NTLK] MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to
> check?
> > Date: July 4, 2020 at 4:05:43 PM CDT
> > To: "newtontalk at newtontalk.net" <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>
> >
> >
> > Well if one of the chips is getting warm and not in the other, I doubt a
> replacement ROM board will do it on that Newt, unless the CiriusLogic is on
> the ROM board (don't know off the top of my head).  But if it is on the
> board, worth a try.  And worth a try regardless on the other one.  It will
> clear the system patch so that will need to be applied again.
> >
> > I am sure Frank will chime in with ideas as well.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> > On 7/4/2020 4:53 PM, Kenroy Harrison via NewtonTalk wrote:
> >> Hi Sylvain,
> >> I have an MP2100 with the same problem. I had a chat with Sonny Hung a
> few weeks ago about it and he suggested that I may want to try swapping out
> the MP2100 ROM card with an eMate ROM card to force a hard reset. I haven’t
> been able to track down an eMate to try that as yet. I’m interested to hear
> what steps you’ve tried so far and how it goes in the future so please do
> keep us informed.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Kenroy
> >>> On Jul 4, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Sylvain Pilet wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I've got two MP2000's and an MP2100 that won't turn back on. The
> problem is more serious than changing the batteries, or letting the charger
> plug in for several hours, all these tests have already been done many
> times. It is an electronic problem. But I am not a great expert but I know
> how to use soldering irons and multimeters. I'm speaking to those who
> already know the inside of the Newton 2x00. Which components should I check
> first?
> >>> Knowing, for example, that for one of them, the CiriusLogic is warm
> when the AC adapter is plugged in. The other two have no reaction. But
> neither of them want to switch on. These are also not the displays or ROMS
> that have been tested on other MP2xxs, so I can eliminate those points.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you in advance for your good advice…
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sylvain Pilet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Sylvain Pilet <sylvain at pilet.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NTLK] MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to
> check?
> > Date: July 4, 2020 at 5:09:03 PM CDT
> > To: Newton Liste Newton Talk US <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>, Kenroy
> Harrison <kenroy at me.com>
> >
> >
> > Kenroy,
> >
> > Interchanging the ROM is what I do as a last resort with the Newtons,
> because the content is lost forever. But as it happened to me before, I
> always have a 2x00 ROM in stock!
> > I have never swapped an eMate ROM with one from an MP2x00. But I often
> do it with the 2x00s. There is indeed a HARD RESET which is done on the ROM
> when you put the ROM of a Newton in another one. Everything is erased and
> we start again from Zero. What I can say is that it doesn't change much if
> the failure comes from one (or more) electronic component. But sometimes
> indeed it can bring back to life a Newton that hadn't woken up for a long
> time. In this case you have to leave the mains plugged at least 15 minutes,
> before the Newton does its hard reset and restarts. But it doesn't always
> work.
> >
> >
> > Be careful, too,
> > Let's imagine that you have two Newton MP2x00 A and B, if you put the
> ROM from A into B to test the Newton B, if this one is still a bit alive,
> it will erase the ROM A, its content will not reappear if you put the ROM A
> back into the Newton A, since it will have been erased!
> > Let's now imagine that you put ROM A aside and test ROM B in Newton A,
> even if ROM A has not been introduced in another Newton, if your Newton A
> has deleted another ROM then it will forget its ROM A and when you put back
> its original ROM it will believe it is another ROM and will make a Hard
> Reset.
> >
> > I know this because I often swap Newton's ROM and Watson's ROM, because
> we have to disassemble the Watson's to be able to connect the Interconnect
> dongle to connect it to NCX. So for testing purposes, like Paul is doing
> right now, it's easier to put a ROM in an MP2000, than to damage a Watson
> where the components are like new most of the time.
> >
> >
> > Sylvain Pilet
> >
> > http://message-pad.net
> > http://messagepad.no-ip.org:3680 [NPDS Tracker]
> >
> >
> >> Le 4 juil. 2020 à 22:53, Kenroy Harrison via NewtonTalk <
> newtontalk at newtontalk.net> a écrit :
> >>
> >> Hi Sylvain,
> >>
> >> I have an MP2100 with the same problem. I had a chat with Sonny Hung a
> few weeks ago about it and he suggested that I may want to try swapping out
> the MP2100 ROM card with an eMate ROM card to force a hard reset. I haven’t
> been able to track down an eMate to try that as yet. I’m interested to hear
> what steps you’ve tried so far and how it goes in the future so please do
> keep us informed.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Kenroy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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