[NTLK] MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to check?
Jim C.
guardsix6 at gmail.com
Sun Jul 5 12:23:47 EDT 2020
1. Ok, I’m going to byte! What’s a “Watson”? Is this the IBM supercomputer you all are talking about?
2. Sadily, I too have an apparently dead Newton 2100 (upgraded 2000). I think I killed it by cleaning it too aggressively! I do have a second one that works great, so you all think just moving its rom to the dead one might bring it back? I asked Frank about my dead Newton, but he’s a very busy guy so I’m also waiting on his input.
3. Thanks for all the input I’ve been receiving on getting a power adapter for my PowerBook G3. While the model #s for the PowerBooks are easy to find, getting the exact model of Power Adapter is not. Some came with a 2.5mm barrel plug and, which of course, I bought, but the one I needed has a 3.5mm barrel plug. I believe I now have the right one coming.
4. Is the MoreInfo pkg or app still a paid app for the Newton?
Thanks for any responses and your time.
Jim C.
guardsix6 at gmail.com <mailto:guardsix6 at gmail.com>
San Antonio, TX
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> 2. MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to check?
> (Sylvain Pilet)
> 3. Re: [ANN] New DCL tools : WatsonEnabler & Rex (Pawel Piotrowski)
> 4. Re: MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to
> check? (Kenroy Harrison)
> 5. Re: MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to
> check? (Dan)
> 6. Re: MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to
> check? (Sylvain Pilet)
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> From: Dennis Swaney <romad at nvwisp.com>
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] Power Adapter!
> Date: July 4, 2020 at 12:49:04 PM CDT
> To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net, Don Zahniser <irntooth at eznet.net>
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> Jim & Don,
>
> According to MacTracker:
> PowerBook G3 11/97 - 5/98 (Model 3553) uses the 45W M4895 adapter
> PowerBook G3 Series 5/95 - 8/98 (Model 4753), the PowerBook G3 Series
> (September 1998) 9/98 - 5/99 (also Model 4753), and the PowerBook G3
> (Bronze Keyboard) 5/99 - 2/00 (model 5343) all use the 45W M4402 adapter
> PowerBook (FireWire) 2/00 - 1/01 (Model 7572) uses the 45W M7332 adapter
>
> Sincerely,
> Dennis B. Swaney
>
> "Cogito Ergo Mac"
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> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 6:52 AM Don Zahniser <irntooth at eznet.net> wrote:
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>> I just checked, and don't have a spare, but it may help that I have used
>> the power supply bricks for the PB1400 and the Powerbook G3 (Firewire)
>> interchangeably. Your model was made between these two, so I would assume
>> that any power brick for one of these models or any between should work.
>>
>>
>> -Don
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Jul 3, 2020 at 19:09:12 EDT, Jim C. <guardsix6 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Ok, I’m reaching out because I’m desperate. I just got an Apple PowerBook
>> G3 with the serial port, but I don’t have the right power adapter. I did
>> buy one, but it looks like I got one with a barrel plug of only 2.5mm when
>> I need one with a 3.5mm plug.
>>
>> Anyone have something like this they’re willing to sale, part with, get
>> rid of? I’m hooking hoping to hook this up to my Newtons instead of working
>> on an old broken Windows XP machine.
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>>
>> Jim
>> San Antonio, TX
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> From: Sylvain Pilet <sylvain at pilet.net>
> Subject: [NTLK] MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to check?
> Date: July 4, 2020 at 3:29:00 PM CDT
> To: Liste Newton Talk US Newton <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>
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> Hi all,
>
> I've got two MP2000's and an MP2100 that won't turn back on.
> The problem is more serious than changing the batteries, or letting the charger plug in for several hours, all these tests have already been done many times. It is an electronic problem. But I am not a great expert but I know how to use soldering irons and multimeters.
> I'm speaking to those who already know the inside of the Newton 2x00. Which components should I check first?
> Knowing, for example, that for one of them, the CiriusLogic is warm when the AC adapter is plugged in. The other two have no reaction. But neither of them want to switch on.
> These are also not the displays or ROMS that have been tested on other MP2xxs, so I can eliminate those points.
>
> Thank you in advance for your good advice…
>
>
> Sylvain Pilet
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> From: Pawel Piotrowski <newton at indigi.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] [ANN] New DCL tools : WatsonEnabler & Rex
> Date: July 4, 2020 at 3:34:11 PM CDT
> To: NewtonTalk Mailin List <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>
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>> On 3 Jul 2020, at 23:20, Sylvain Pilet <sylvain at pilet.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I know it's infuriating, Pawel,
>> but even if I now have 6 Watson, only two are complete (Watson + Base Unit) one black Pack and one grey/blue Pack.
>> As you collect I know that you play a complete pack and in good condition. I don't forget you...
>
> No, Sylvain, is not frustrating. Don’t worry. I will get one eventually from someone :)
>
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> Cheers,
> Pawel
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> From: Kenroy Harrison <kenroy at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to check?
> Date: July 4, 2020 at 3:53:42 PM CDT
> To: newtontalk at newtontalk.net
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>
> Hi Sylvain,
>
> I have an MP2100 with the same problem. I had a chat with Sonny Hung a few weeks ago about it and he suggested that I may want to try swapping out the MP2100 ROM card with an eMate ROM card to force a hard reset. I haven’t been able to track down an eMate to try that as yet. I’m interested to hear what steps you’ve tried so far and how it goes in the future so please do keep us informed.
>
> Thanks,
> Kenroy
>
>> On Jul 4, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Sylvain Pilet <sylvain at pilet.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've got two MP2000's and an MP2100 that won't turn back on.
>> The problem is more serious than changing the batteries, or letting the charger plug in for several hours, all these tests have already been done many times. It is an electronic problem. But I am not a great expert but I know how to use soldering irons and multimeters.
>> I'm speaking to those who already know the inside of the Newton 2x00. Which components should I check first?
>> Knowing, for example, that for one of them, the CiriusLogic is warm when the AC adapter is plugged in. The other two have no reaction. But neither of them want to switch on.
>> These are also not the displays or ROMS that have been tested on other MP2xxs, so I can eliminate those points.
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your good advice…
>>
>>
>> Sylvain Pilet
>>
>> http://message-pad.net
>> http://messagepad.no-ip.org:3680 [NPDS Tracker]
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> From: Dan <dan at dbdigitalweb.com>
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to check?
> Date: July 4, 2020 at 4:05:43 PM CDT
> To: "newtontalk at newtontalk.net" <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>
>
>
> Well if one of the chips is getting warm and not in the other, I doubt a replacement ROM board will do it on that Newt, unless the CiriusLogic is on the ROM board (don't know off the top of my head). But if it is on the board, worth a try. And worth a try regardless on the other one. It will clear the system patch so that will need to be applied again.
>
> I am sure Frank will chime in with ideas as well.
>
> -Dan
>
> On 7/4/2020 4:53 PM, Kenroy Harrison via NewtonTalk wrote:
>> Hi Sylvain,
>> I have an MP2100 with the same problem. I had a chat with Sonny Hung a few weeks ago about it and he suggested that I may want to try swapping out the MP2100 ROM card with an eMate ROM card to force a hard reset. I haven’t been able to track down an eMate to try that as yet. I’m interested to hear what steps you’ve tried so far and how it goes in the future so please do keep us informed.
>> Thanks,
>> Kenroy
>>> On Jul 4, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Sylvain Pilet wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've got two MP2000's and an MP2100 that won't turn back on. The problem is more serious than changing the batteries, or letting the charger plug in for several hours, all these tests have already been done many times. It is an electronic problem. But I am not a great expert but I know how to use soldering irons and multimeters. I'm speaking to those who already know the inside of the Newton 2x00. Which components should I check first?
>>> Knowing, for example, that for one of them, the CiriusLogic is warm when the AC adapter is plugged in. The other two have no reaction. But neither of them want to switch on. These are also not the displays or ROMS that have been tested on other MP2xxs, so I can eliminate those points.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance for your good advice…
>>>
>>>
>>> Sylvain Pilet
>
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> From: Sylvain Pilet <sylvain at pilet.net>
> Subject: Re: [NTLK] MP2x00 out of order, which electronic components to check?
> Date: July 4, 2020 at 5:09:03 PM CDT
> To: Newton Liste Newton Talk US <newtontalk at newtontalk.net>, Kenroy Harrison <kenroy at me.com>
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> Kenroy,
>
> Interchanging the ROM is what I do as a last resort with the Newtons, because the content is lost forever. But as it happened to me before, I always have a 2x00 ROM in stock!
> I have never swapped an eMate ROM with one from an MP2x00. But I often do it with the 2x00s. There is indeed a HARD RESET which is done on the ROM when you put the ROM of a Newton in another one. Everything is erased and we start again from Zero. What I can say is that it doesn't change much if the failure comes from one (or more) electronic component. But sometimes indeed it can bring back to life a Newton that hadn't woken up for a long time. In this case you have to leave the mains plugged at least 15 minutes, before the Newton does its hard reset and restarts. But it doesn't always work.
>
>
> Be careful, too,
> Let's imagine that you have two Newton MP2x00 A and B, if you put the ROM from A into B to test the Newton B, if this one is still a bit alive, it will erase the ROM A, its content will not reappear if you put the ROM A back into the Newton A, since it will have been erased!
> Let's now imagine that you put ROM A aside and test ROM B in Newton A, even if ROM A has not been introduced in another Newton, if your Newton A has deleted another ROM then it will forget its ROM A and when you put back its original ROM it will believe it is another ROM and will make a Hard Reset.
>
> I know this because I often swap Newton's ROM and Watson's ROM, because we have to disassemble the Watson's to be able to connect the Interconnect dongle to connect it to NCX. So for testing purposes, like Paul is doing right now, it's easier to put a ROM in an MP2000, than to damage a Watson where the components are like new most of the time.
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> Sylvain Pilet
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>> Le 4 juil. 2020 à 22:53, Kenroy Harrison via NewtonTalk <newtontalk at newtontalk.net> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Sylvain,
>>
>> I have an MP2100 with the same problem. I had a chat with Sonny Hung a few weeks ago about it and he suggested that I may want to try swapping out the MP2100 ROM card with an eMate ROM card to force a hard reset. I haven’t been able to track down an eMate to try that as yet. I’m interested to hear what steps you’ve tried so far and how it goes in the future so please do keep us informed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kenroy
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